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Post by Verletzt on Feb 22, 2007 12:45:49 GMT -5
Buddy's 52 appearance is like the figure.
I would rather have the classic wavy boot look instead for the figure though.
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Post by The Agent on Feb 22, 2007 12:50:47 GMT -5
Buddy's 52 appearance is like the figure. I would rather have the classic wavy boot look instead for the figure though. And Buddy apparently dropped the scales in order to wear a more conventional spandex suit. |
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Post by Verletzt on Feb 23, 2007 7:39:53 GMT -5
Those scales come and go. I guess it depends on whether the artists feels like drawing the detail or not. ;D
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Post by The Agent on Feb 23, 2007 9:18:50 GMT -5
Those scales come and go. I guess it depends on whether the artists feels like drawing the detail or not. ;D MMmmmmmm true. So I bet the scales are still there. In the action figure, I can't really see them, but it feels like the suit is somewhat "spongy". |
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Post by Gotham95 on Feb 24, 2007 0:16:06 GMT -5
From Newsarama.com
This was asked at the DC Nation panel at the NYC CC.
Will we see Animal Man in his own project coming back from space? Didio: His story in 52 isn't over.
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Post by The Agent on Feb 24, 2007 6:08:12 GMT -5
From Newsarama.com This was asked at the DC Nation panel at the NYC CC. Will we see Animal Man in his own project coming back from space? Didio: His story in 52 isn't over. MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm... cryptic.  |
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Post by Verletzt on Feb 24, 2007 13:23:49 GMT -5
Next week's 52 cover.....  |
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Post by buddybaked on Feb 25, 2007 8:35:38 GMT -5
I'm very curious to see what GM's plans for his "Last Animal Man Story" in 52...
My personal theory is that since he's going to use Buddy to explore the meta-textual issues involved with the comeback of DC's multiverse. GM already established in his Animal Man run that "his" Buddy was a seperate entity from the Silver-Age-Buddy. This could mean that "Vertigo-Buddy" (from the stories that followed GM's run) is also a separate entity from Morrison-Buddy. Following this theory, during the Vertigo years, Morrison Buddy joined Silver Age Buddy in limbo, while Vertigo Buddy had his Shaman adventures or whatever. Then the DC editorial staff (or GM himself?) decides that they want Animal Man back in the main DCU in books such as Identity Crisis. So, Vertigo-Buddy goes off to limbo, and while I haven't read of the Animal Man issues after GM's run, I get the impression that the events of these stories were ignored/reversed to the status quo of GM's run when Buddy rejoined the DCU. The Morrison-Buddy made his official return when Grant started writing him in 52, and although he seems alive to us readers, he is probably still dead to most of the DCU (including his family, who seemed to sense his passing).
So what's my point here anyway? Well, I think when GM says it's his last Animal Man story, I think he means to retire Morrison-Buddy, while letting another Buddy (and other writers) take over the responsibility of Animal Man.
GM doesn't own the copyright to Animal Man, and as much as we would all like to see a new Animal Man series penned by GM, there's no guarantee that's going to happen. Also, Grant knows that even if he kills off Buddy, the DC editors will someday bring Animal Man back somehow(...look at Hal Jordan, and if rumors are to be believed, Barry Allen...), this is the comix-biz, folks. Furthermore, if the Vertigo-Buddy is any kind of example, whatever writer follows Grant won't be 100% true to his (GM's) vision of the character. It's not that different is neccessarily bad, it's just not "Morrison-Buddy," for better or worse.
Therefore, since whichever Buddy comes out of 52 will (probably) not be Morrison-Buddy, I think GM will use 52 as a forum to officially say goodbye to the character.
What is REALLY interesting is that given Grant's admitted fondness for the character, I wonder: will Grant ask Morrison-Buddy himself how he wants to end his story? After all, with "New-Buddy" taking his place, whatever happens to Morrison-Buddy on his way to permanent limbo is of no consequence to the "real" DCU. Grant could relocate the whole Baker clan to "Earth-BB," where everyone is vegetarian and the most dangerous missons Animal Man has to face is rescuing cats from tall trees. Would that be an acceptable "happy-ever-after" for Buddy?
It's something to consider, anyway...it looks like this week's 52 will give us more to think about!
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Post by The Agent on Feb 25, 2007 11:21:55 GMT -5
Buddybaked, You raised wondeful points, and I wanna flesh them out one by one. My congrats. It's hypertime all the time, but we have to make distinctions in order to *NOT* mess up the whole "multi-universe". The SILVER AGE ANIMAL MAN (a.k.a. the Pre-Crisis Animal Man) was written by a plethora of artists, but Wood and Infantino dictated the "matrix" of him. Still, it's the SAME Animal Man. Likely, Morrison dictated the matrix of the Post-Crisis, Pre-Zero Hour Earth-Sigma Animal Man... but it was supposed to be the same character on JUSTICE LEAGUE EUROPE #1-12 because Morrison stated the affiliation in Animal Man #9 and Animal Man #16 ... and it doesn't matter that Morrison's Post-Crisis, Pre-Zero Hour Earth-Sigma Animal Man was written by other artists in those JLE issues, for instance. It was the same Animal Man. What I'm trying to say is: if the matrix is set, everyone can write that same character without creating an alternative continuity.When Morrison left his tenure, a Third Animal Man was created, a third matrix. Milligan, Veitch, Delano and Prossed did what they want. It was a third Animal Man. The Vertigo one.Morrison reprised the matrix in JUSTICE LEAGUE #40-41 (2000), not in 52. The Animal Man who appeared in HAWKMAN was STILL Morrison's one, even if not written by him. So basically you're saying that a portion of the limbo can be formatted into an alternative continuity ('EARTH-BB') featuring Morrison's Animal Man and "his" ordinary world. I like the idea but... OUR Animal Man, the Post-Crisis, Pre-Zero Hour Earth-Sigma Animal Man, was busy with rescuing animals from hunts and dangerous treats... not only tall trees!  Said that, I would like an ending like that you suggested. |
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Post by buddybaked on Feb 25, 2007 19:21:36 GMT -5
Tizzy, I think we're totally on the same wavelength here, maybe just different terminology...I don't think I would've used the word matrix, but I think that'll work here! Also, I admit I'm putting the exact same posts on this and the DC boards. My wife is expecting our 2nd baby anytime now, and I never know when my free time will disappear. However, I still want to share these ideas with as many people as possible, so if I spend a lot of time on a particular post, I might copy it somewhere else. I'm probably not the only one to do this, but I feel I have to justify my laziness.... Anyway, if the topic is Buddy Baker, I'll post here first, before I make any copies! |
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Post by buddybaked on Feb 26, 2007 10:17:05 GMT -5
Buddybaked, So basically you're saying that a portion of the limbo can be formatted into an alternative continuity ('EARTH-BB') featuring Morrison's Animal Man and "his" ordinary world. I like the idea but... OUR Animal Man, the Post-Crisis, Pre-Zero Hour Earth-Sigma Animal Man, was busy with rescuing animals from hunts and dangerous treats... not only tall trees! Said that, I would like an ending like that you suggested. I think my main point (suggesting that "Earth-BB" would be a planet of vegans where there was nothing more dangerous than cats in trees) was meant to be a suggestion of a possible "heaven" for someone of Buddy's character. During GM's run, Buddy's standout qualities included: 1. His vegetarianism and anti-animal-cruelty stance 2. Love of his wife and kids (I'm not including Buddy's obvious heroism as it's a trait he has in common with the majority of the superhero community...) Anyway, my point was that if Buddy could choose what corner of heaven/limbo to spend eternity in, what would be most important to him: A) Living a life where everyone shares his respect for animal life, and his family would never run the risk of being killed for his heroics B) Continuing to be a super-hero and have thrilling adventures Remember that my original theory suggests that the "Morrison-Buddy-Matrix" would be retired (in a way) and Buddy wouldn't have to be a hero just because the writer and readers want him to be. GM would "ask" the Buddy character what he wants to do, and intuit the answers into the 52 storyline. My example of Earth-BB was an exaggeration of sorts (I'm sure Buddy would get sick of cats in trees real fast), but I do think that if forced to choose between exciting (& dangerous) adventures and the security of his family, Buddy would choose the second. I suppose paradise could have thrills without real danger (kinda like Golden/Silver Age comic books), but given Buddy's down to earth personality, could he accept that kind of reality? It's likely that whatever GM has in mind for Buddy in 52 is going to be totally different from my ideas here...but I'm just having fun with the philosophical questions the situation presents, and want to get them out in the open before Grant proves me wrong! |
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Post by The Agent on Feb 26, 2007 10:29:36 GMT -5
I always had the impression that Buddy was/is "torn apart" between his wildest nature (he was a punk, an hellraiser, and then became a forgotten superhero just "for kicks") and his wise nature (husband, father and "professional" superhero). So I think HE for first is not able to know what life is more suitable to him... and that's the greatest point about Buddy Baker, my friend. I agree with all your excellent and fascinating points... but I don't think that '52' will provide us with a definitive answer, nor will give him a satisfactory "conclusion". And we don't know if a FOURTH matrix will be created. Crisis of the Infinite Animal Men  |
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Post by The Agent on Feb 28, 2007 12:21:02 GMT -5
Week 43, Day 4
Buddy is hooked up to a machine by the 2 Yellow Aliens.
Alien 1: Morphogenetic graft reset accomplished. Reassembly for template imminent. Reset personality parameters: Subset goals, motivations, fears, desires.
Alien 2: Reinsert subject into the Continuum
Buddy wakes up on the same asteroid he was left on.
Buddy: NO. Don’t send me back. Don’t leave me here! My supersenses don’t reach to the next planet…I…I can’t breathe…I’m about to lose the space dolphin powers I sampled…
One of the Aliens points out into space.
Buddy: Where? What? There’s nothing out there! There’s nothing alive I can use. Uhh…god..What do I do? Fuhh..uhhh…Seconds…you have seconds to live Buddy…unless you find an animal power out there somewhere…fnnnnn—one…One. Last. Shot.
Buddy looks at a picture of his family and extends his powers to make contact with and use the powers of…
Buddy: Sun-Eaters. Ha. Migration maps. Homing abilities. Oh yes…
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Post by Gotham95 on Mar 1, 2007 3:58:28 GMT -5
I should get my copy of 52 #43 early next week. I can't wait to read it.
My favorite version of Buddy is of course the Morrison written Buddy. I wish after 52 he would get back to those basic qualities mentioned here that we all love about him and start a new series. There's so much out there that can be explored.
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Post by Verletzt on Mar 28, 2007 19:08:33 GMT -5
Week #47:
As Buddy is traveling with the power of the Sun-Eaters, the Yellow Aliens are commenting on his "upgrading". The Aliens say that soon Buddy will realize he can use Space B to travel to any point in space or time. Buddy then enters Space B and joins the Aliens. Buddy says he only wants to get home to Ellen and the kids to make sure they made it through the Crisis ok.
The Aliens show him an image one month into the future of his timeline. Buddy see Ellen with another man's hands on her shoulders. The Aliens say "Our work in done. There is more story to tell, and so we return you to your story Buddy Baker". And they leave.
The man comforting Ellen says "I'm glad you finally put your grief behind you." Buddy screams "Ellen!" and is surrounded by a bright light.
The man's face is not seen, but he has light hair. I hope Ellen hasn't moved on just as Buddy returns. How very Soap Opera! I want Buddy to have a happy reunion. It doesn't look like Buddy will be in the next issue. Hopefully the 5.2 article on Newsarama will talk about this week's Buddy arc.
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